1998 Porsche 993 Turbo S with WLS 2 Package
Vehicle Details
- Year: 1998
- Make: Porsche
- Model: 911 Turbo
- VIN: WP0ZZZ99ZWS370698
- Mileage: 135,044km
- Transmission: Manual
- Title Status: Clean
- Color: Glacier White
- Seller Type: Private Party
- Location: United Kingdom
- Lot #: V-0026413
One of approximately 550 examples built during the model’s final production year, this 1998 Porsche 993 Turbo sports an exceptional factory configuration including the rare WLS 2 performance ex works package. Offered in 1998 only, the WLS 2 upgrade provides the same engine output as the Turbo S and is believed to have been equipped for only 20%-25% of the Turbos produced during that year. Officially designated by Porsche as a Turbo S following its upgrades, this 993 was ordered in Glacier White along with a host of special factory options including Sport Suspension, side air inlets, 18” Sport Classic II wheels, Speed Yellow seatbelts, and extended leather trim throughout the cabin. The original owner further distinguished the car with the addition of a dealer-installed spoiler and upgraded RUF exhaust system. Undoubtedly one of the most outstanding examples of the final air-cooled 911 Turbo, this 993 currently resides in the United Kingdom where it awaits import to become the first WLS 2 car in the United States.
This 993 is finished in Glacier White and features air inlets in the rear side panels (X79) as an exclusive factory option. A GT rear spoiler is said to have been added by a Porsche dealer upon the original owner’s request along with a genuine RUF rear bumper to accommodate the upgraded exhaust. The 18” Sport Classic II wheels have been refurbished in their original appearance with gold-painted centers and polished outer lips. The seller adds that the full exterior and wheels have also been treated with ceramic coating. Additional images are provided in the gallery.
The Light Grey interior was custom tailored through Porsche’s Exclusive Manufaktur, featuring Speed Yellow seatbelts, stainless steel entry panels, and extended leather trim covering the instrument panel, steering column casing, airbag, roof lining, pillars, door openers, and sun visors. Other options include heated electric Comfort Seats in supple leather, velour luggage compartment lining, and Nokia Digital Sound Processing (DSP). The seller adds that the seats and interior panels have been reconditioned.
Before the production of air-cooled Porsches concluded in the summer of 1998, 266 Turbos with ZWS chassis numbers were made at the end of the model series. With its 14 exclusive "X" factory options, this car is one of the most special of this series. A complete list of specifications is provided below:
- 071 – EU Country Model
- 139 – Adjustable Seat Heating Left Seat
- 197 – 88Ah Battery
- 211 – License Plate Holder – Characteristic ownership feature
- 220 – Locking Differential (40%)
- 224 – Automatic Brake Differential (ABD)
- 235 – Bridgestone N2/Pirelli N2
- 288 – Headlamp Washers
- 330 – CR-31 Cassette Radio
- 335 – 3-Pt. Automatic Seat Belts in The Rear
- 339 – All-Wheel-Drive
- 340 – Adjustable Seat Heating, Right Seat
- 423 – Cassette container and coin box
- 425 – Rear Wiper
- 437 – Comfort Seat, Left Electrically Adjustable.
- 438 – Comfort Seat Right, Electrically Adjustable
- 441 – Fader, antenna booster, 4 speakers
- 455 – Wheel locks
- 480 – 6-Speed Manual Transmission
- 488 – Stickers in German
- 490 – Sound Package
- 499 – Version for West Germany
- 530 – Anti-drive off feature (433MHz) MY 1997-2005
- 534 – 433MHz anti-theft lock
- 545 – 92L-TANK
- 562 – Airbag Driver and Passenger Side
- 566 – Rectangular front fog lights
- 567 – Top Tinted Windscreen
- 573 – Air-Conditioning
- 599 – Roof cover molding
- 601 – Litronic Headlights
- 602 – 3rd Brake Light
- 615 – Facility for telephone installation
- 650 – Sunroof
- 651 – Electric Windows
- 657 – Power Steering
- 659 – On-Board Computer
- 660 – OBDII
- 680 – Digital Sound Processing
- 685 – Divided Rear Seats
- 692 – CDC-3 CD Autochanger (6 Disc)
- 939 – Seat cover rear draped leather
- 975 – Velour carpet in the luggage compartment
- 981 – All leather lining
- 982 – Soft Ruffled Leather
- P14 – Heated Seats Left and Right
“X” Options-
- X19 – Leather Instrument Panel/Cluster
- X26 – Leather Airbag Steering Wheel
- X70 – Stainless Steel Entrance Panels with Model Typeface
- X73 – Sport Suspension Kit (Turbo)
- X79 – Air Inlets in Rear Side Panels
- XEB – PASSIVHOERER NOKIA 2110 EINBAUEN
- XE7 – Additional Oil Cooler
- XJ6 – Leather Steering Column Casing
- XLB – Twin pipe exhaust 993Turbo S
- XLC – K24 Turbochargers and modified ECU for 993 Turbo S
- XMA – Leather Roof Lining/ A+B Pillars
- XN2 – Leather Interior Door Openers
- XN9 – Leather Sun visors/Illuminated + passenger mirror
- XRB – 18” Sport Classic II Wheels
“Z” Options-
- 09981 – Vehicle-Over Position to The Zp 7.0 To Vrs (Exc-Loop)
- 19691 – Wiring for CD Changer Up to The Boot CD To Install
- 00341 – (Schaltm. /Handbremsh. Black)
- 10001 – A Single TÜV
- 00311 – Light Grey Seats
- 19121 – Speed Yellow Seatbelts
- 09991 – Exc = Light Grey, Yds 8zl Xma = Light Grey, Yds 8zl
- 19692 – Radio with Cd Output #M 326/329/330
- 09971 – -See Appendix-
- 18232 – Light Grey Bbz 8zl, Carpet Edging Artificial Leather *VF*
- 18231 – Light Grey Tlv 6yr, Carpet on The Floor: *VF*
The WLS 2, a German acronym for Works Performance Increase 2, was offered as a factory option from Porsche in 1998 which equipped the 993 with larger K24 turbochargers, an additional oil cooler, and modified ECU programming to match the Turbo S output of 450 HP. This example also features an upgraded RUF full exhaust system installed under the original ownership. Factory equipment includes a 6-speed manual transmission, all-wheel-drive, a locking differential (40%), and optional Sport Suspension (X73). An oil change is said to have been completed in preparation for sale and the seller has offered to accommodate private inspections by appointment only at the car’s private storage facility near London.
This 993 will be accompanied by a clean title and the seller notes the car is eligible to be imported to the United States on April 8th, 2023.
Auction Results
- Highest Bid: $200,000
- Auction End: Jan 25, 2023 09:30:00PM UTC
- Number of Bids: 7
Comments (170)
@JDCar599 LOL
And Pcar breathes a sigh of relief.
To seller: The next time you want to sell a car of this caliber, you may want to consider having a professional do it for you.
Not sold and reserve way far off
Thank you all
Good night
@Alex1528 Porsche wouldn't release a car with non-matching numbers
@Iheartporsche I just spoke to the original owner and he said he never replaced the gearbox and he suspected that since his car was build uniquely maybe they installed different gearbox at that time- but it’s very unique again because he would remember if his gearbox was ever replaced. Anyway thank you for putting your 2 cents into it. Seems like car is not selling it and will stay with me and I’m happy about it
Thank you all again.
Bid in the amount of $200,000
@Alex1528 I am simplifying, but when Porsche builds a motor and gearbox they stamp unique numbers/identifiers on them and subsequently when they are installed on the car at the factory those numbers are recorded on the build sheet of the car. You can get the build sheet and original numbers from any Porsche dealer.
If you look closely at the gearbox and the motor on the car, you can see these numbers stamped directly on them. You them look to see if these stamped numbers on the actual car are the same as the original build sheet from Porsche. If they are the same, you have a "numbers matching car" but if not then at some point they were replaced with new components. It doesn't mean the components are bad or defective, and I have known situations where Porsche actually replaced a motor on a classic car and made sure it maintained its numbers matching status. A lot of collectors look at these matching numbers as a driver of originality of the car and can have an impact on perceived value of the car to collectors.
The original owner likely didn't think of such things back in 2000 when the car was only 2 years old and had the gearbox replaced. Who would have guessed these cars would have become so valuable!
When we inspected the car we compared these gearbox numbers together against the original build sheet from Porsche.
I hope this answers your question.
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@ismosgarage To me gearbox is correct as it should be and I don’t know where they took that info about not matching gearbox and engine
See uploaded pictures now
@mpgandco Thank you for your comment. I’m certain it won’t meet reserve thanx to some angry unsuccessful buyers prior to my purchase. Honestly I’ll be happy to hold on to it and import it here soon.
I wonder what the Original MSRP was when ordered? Probably cost more to build than a Factory Turbo S in my opinion. Would love to own this if I didn't already have a Turbo S. This one has a long ways to go and I don't think the reserve will be met
@lheartporsche
Please explain about gearbox replacement because I’m confused how did you acquire this info
@ismosgarage Mentioned about gearbox that was swapped. I’m not aware of it but according to their inspection it was done and correct one with LSD replaced
Odometer is working perfectly
@Alex1528 my question was specific:
- gearbox numbers don’t match (new gearbox does not have LSD as per original spec)
- odometer isn’t working
I didn’t ask about paint and wheels
@Alex1528 myself and another, who are very experienced classic Porsche collectors, looked at this car late last year. It was (and still is) a beautiful car that had been sitting a while and needed some TLC and $$$ to get it back to shape. We turned it down, not because it wasn't perfect, no car is, but it wasn't the type of project we were ultimately looking for at the time. No regrets, and at the end of the day you have brought a very rare spec and beautiful car. We are not trying to downplay the car itself and people can take their own decisions as to what value means to them or whether this is a Turbo or Turbo S as you say in your comments.
My only complaint is that I have tried to coax the truth out of you on multiple occasions, but you didn't seem to want to answer me directly or even honestly. I, and many others on these sites I would imagine, have seen many sellers buy cars and then give them a shiny detail and claim they are perfect. I am not in any way saying this is what you have done, I am just trying to ask questions that allow potential buyers to ask the right questions about the car and get the information they need to make an informed buying decision. You might have since fixed all the issues we saw when we had the car inspected and that would be absolutely perfect. However, it is fair for people to ask for receipts and details of what you or the prior owner have done for the car just as it is fair for you to refuse to provide such receipts and details.
The beauty of PCar market is the collective knowledge of everyone on here. It is a great community and the process on this auction has worked. You added additional photos of the underside when I asked which is how it is supposed to work. Odds are, with a rare car like this one, it has been looked at or seen by others and that knowledge helps those who want to buy their first rare Porsche but may not have the experience of buying a car online or even all the intricacies of buying a classic 993 Turbo Porsche. Either way, if you sell it or keep it, you have a beautiful and rare example of a PCar which will age beautifully with time. GLWA.
@ismosgarage See last two pictures uploaded now plus paint corrections and wheels and all interior leather reconciling plus service and inspection
Everything is good and there are no leaks at all
@ismosgarage Odometer is working fine-I’m not aware of any gearbox swap- I’m getting tired with all this drama.
Only private messages please
@Alex1528 kindly share what exactly was done since the Sep 2022 inspection
@Alex1528 please let me know which dealer replaced the gearbox.
What about the actual mileage given that the odometer isn’t working? Any idea of actual mileage?
The report posted is quite detailed and looks legit to me
@ismosgarage Im not aware of any gearbox exchange. Even if it was then I’m sure it’s been at Porsche dealer and that would be matching and proper one- but ask these people who spread the fire with their inspiration. Lots of things were done to the car since then including all paint correction, wheels, or any issues.
@HillZRB See reply privately
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@Alex1528 I private messaged you almost a half hour ago, are you planning on responding?
@mpgandco Yes everything is there
@Alex1528 is the replacement gearbox equipped with LSD like the factory original was?
Please let me know
@Alex1528 Was this stuff addressed?
@ismosgarage and what's the actual mileage please?
@Alex1528 What's the story with the mismatching gearbox ?
@HillZRB Private message only please
@Alex1528 can you please outline what was addressed and what wasn’t from this PPI? I’m Looking for an answer as I’m currently a bidder in here and to be quite honest, your tone is a bit off putting. I decided to bid because I do feel people are being harsh to you. With that being said I would hope you can give me an articulate answer so we can move forward. Thank you.
@TurboDXB Report is old and irrelevant
I know you are angry and you know why- because I bought it and not you. You were begging the seller to sell it you later and you even raised the money. You are one tricky dealer
Good luck and I care less if it sells or not- and like said earlier inspection is irrelevant and lots been done.
You must be friend with bigboy- now I know who both of you are. LOL
@TurboDXB LOL
That’s my reply to you and your report
Dear @pcarmarket and bidders, I think we've had enough wool being pulled over our eyes for one auction. Please read this detailed inspection report on the car, which supports the concerns and questions raised by @iheartporsche @hm @bigboy which the seller has done nothing but be defensive and brush off with no supporting evidence (photos, receipts, etc) to suggest otherwise. @alex1528 you are dealing with collectors and enthusiasts here who look out for one another. Fire in the hole...
https://we.tl/t-FTggeTXNvr
@Alex1528 September 21, 2022 is old? I am just trying to keep the discussion honest here. 4 days ago in your comment to @HM you said everything, including the paint, was original which it is not.
I am not trying to downplay what you have done with the car since you bought it and since I had it inspected which is all of 3 months time. The interior detail turned out beautiful and the paint correction looks gorgeous in the light you have posted.
Is the spare tire there? Is there a Plastic tray covering it with a CD Changer and Amp mounted in it? if so, how do you load CD's .Does it flip up or something? Just curious and if that is a tray where would you get one?
Thanks
@Iheartporsche 1000 microns??? Wow its time for new machine.
Anyway it’s a 25 yrs old car and I’m sure there were some cosmetic paint corrections on the car but nothing major. Also your inspection is soo irrelevant and very old. Stuff were corrected since then. If you don’t have anything recent which you don’t please stop misleading people here. Have a great day and enjoy the auction
@Ryanaerickson exactly. In photo 84 you can look at the strut that holds up the rear spoiler and it is a creamy off white and very different color from the rear quarter panels. Further, in photo 83 you can see the metal all around the engine bay is discolored and the same off white color. Finally, the dimples you would normally see on the inside of the metal lining the engine bay are missing because they were painted over (right side). Obvious respray, I’m sorry.
Also, factory paint thickness on these cars is 60-160 microns and paint meter readings from my inspection were very inconsistent and often in excess of 250 microns and up to 1,000 microns on a panel. I will note the inspector said there was not any trace of filler, so the repaint was likely cosmetic only and the finish was ok. Finally, for some reason, the front spare tire well has been repainted (take out carpet and look).
Just please don’t tell I haven’t looked at this car. If you haven’t changed the continental tires yet since you bought it, I can tell you all tires were manufactured in 2007 and one of the front tires was manufactured in the 15th week of 2007 (1507 on the sidewall).
Or, how about the replaced gearbox number is 370698 and not 61W01151 like it says on the build sheet?
@Ryanaerickson I can assure you there are no discoloration in any part of the car- whatever you see it’s a reflection from taking pictures. Car had paint correction done and double ceramic coating applied. Paint looks like new.
Also yes you are more than welcome to keep the car at current storage but monthly fees will have to be taken care off by you. I can arrange that with storage owner as well.
@mpgandco This one is not a lot less but you are correct
Depends which way you looking at it
Thank you for your comment
@Alex1528 I think Iheartporsche is referring to a yellowish hue to the paint inside the rear deck lid shown is pictures 82-84. Any ideas what that is from? Also, will you provide storage for a few months for any American buyers waiting to import after 25 years? Thx. Beautiful car.
You can buy a " Genuine" Turbo S for $500-$700 K or you can buy this for a lot less. I wish my Factory Turbo S had some of the Factory options this Turbo has. This Car is very Ppecial. GLWTA
Also I noticed the video was provided it has very low resolution- see link to my YouTube channel where you can see few more videos of the car. Hopefully @pcarmarket allows it here
https://youtube.com/shorts/PnWyxv2t2Nw?feature=share
@Iheartporsche I appreciate your input but I can assure you that there are no discoloration in paint- IF you see anything then that’s a glare or the way picture is made. And like you said inspection were offered during that auction only. Good luck everyone it’s a really head turning car.
@jbauto as you say I would highly advise people to go look at this one. It is a beautiful car and uniquely spec’d. This would be a rare bird in the US and would get a lot of stares.
Taking a balanced opinion, As I mentioned before, I have inspected the car last September, the car had some deferred maintenance issues in the past which now seemed fixed and the signs of the repaint are obvious in photos 82-84 given the discolorations.
If I were going to invest big money here, and the car is probably worthy of it over the long term, I would encourage an inspection.
It is a beautiful car and GLWA.
Hoping to see this beauty get a strong finish today, and to clear its reserve. Although definitely a lot of nit pickers have spoken up, no one can deny that it's a truly special 911!
@JMS935 Very well explained! That makes me even more now to keep my car in my collection but let’s see how this plays out
Thank you
Bid in the amount of $150,000
@JMS935 What you said! In addition to that if you opted for the WLS2 upgrade you received the Turbo S designation on your registration papers.
These cars have always been a bit misunderstood, which can be blamed on Porsche more than anyone else. The model ‘993 Turbo S’ was attained by checking only one box when ordering, and that one box automatically grouped together a long list of options that made up the ‘Turbo S’ model. This wasn’t the only way to achieve all of the same Turbo S options, however. If one so chose, they could individually select options on their own, which some of these WLS2 buyers chose to do. And when doing so, all of these options got added to a 911 Turbo VIN, not a 911 Turbo S VIN. Much of this is just semantics, because a Turbo S could technically be spec’ed out with all of the same options individually, yet not gain the moniker ‘Turbo S’. There could literally be two 993 Turbos built identical to each other, and one be a Turbo VIN with pages worth of options, while the other is a Turbo S VIN, and their only real difference is in the paperwork. It’s quite obvious that some people draw a hard line at the model name ‘Turbo S’, and it either is one or it isn’t one, which is too bad because that’s not really the case thanks to the quirkiness of how Porsche allowed optioning on these cars back then. It’s those people that will likely miss out on a very special car like this one.
Wishing everyone luck as this auction comes to a close, and now back to the bickering…
Bid in the amount of $130,000
Holy crap. You nitpickers should really get a Job. It's a special car. It is obviously what it is. The Pic's tell me almost everything I would need to know along with the descriptions and Doc's. Get a flight to London and look at it. Make a bid or shut up. GLWTA
Bid in the amount of $125,000
EXACTLY!
Look at this this. It’s unbelievable in every way.
Would love to see that in person.
Well with all being said and done, this is one beautiful and exciting Porsche. I believe those who could stay focused on the car and tune out the rhetoric will allow this stunner to get to a fair final bid.
@Bored Exactly you are 100% correct.
Its a shame this auction is descending into a bit of a farce, it detracts from what is a truly amazing and rare car regardless of how you decide to label it.
Potential bidders should decide how they wish to perceive the car and bid accordingly it's as simple as that. There are a few examples for sale in Europe that will give you an idea of value and this has to be the best available IMO.
As a side note, I have no skin in this game, I just happen to own one and have taken an interest.
@Alex1528 Absolutely, I'll send a you direct message now.
@Bored Can we get in touch somehow after auction in regards to your recent import and you are in CT as well. Just wanted to compare import prices. And of course would like to see yours which might be any day now
@Alex1528 I did see that, I'm curious to see where this whole debate ends.
I understand both sides, mine has a German registration listing it as a turbo S and I will receive a US title which will list it as a Turbo S. Is it really a turbo S? I don't consider it to be one but if the market thinks it is, I'll take that!!! LOL
The car you have is very very special, a WLS2 with x79 is rocking horse isht, I know, I tried to find one. European Porsche market is very different and this may not be the audience for this car. Let's hope I'm wrong and there's someone lurking. GLWS!
@Bored Please read last comment of bigboy- I replied with interesting conversation I had with original owner- I did screen shot and uploaded pictures. We all know that only 50 Turbo S were build for German market. You absolutely correct that this place won’t sell that but you never know who’s hiding behind the curtain. The more I’m learning about my car the more I’m hoping that my reserve won’t be meet and I’ll be able to import it here very soon and enjoy it even longer.
@RumbleAuto Agreed, the X79 option is the hardest to find on WLS2 or WLS1 cars. When I bought mine I wanted it with the x79 but after looking for over a year I gave up and settled for a very high spec WLS2 (more than 25 X options). They're amazing cars with ridiculous performance and this one is very very rare.
I would consign the car to one of the German specialist shops to sell, doesn't look like you will get the money this side of the pond.
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@bigboy I’m glad you brought that topic about 50 car being build for German market. I made screen shots of my conversation with original owners assistant. Please read it and respect their English as I assume they used Google translate. Also whoever ends up with this car I will provide contact info with original to confirm our conversation in regards to his car being very very unique as it was build as #51
And I’m confident that him as older gentleman would lie about it and I’m sure dealership will confirm it. I will attach another document where i see #51 stamped but it’s all in German and I can only assume that might be it- but despite that- his story is true and real. Please all read that screen shot that I’m attaching to pictures
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@Iheartporsche Underneath picture was posted at the beginning of the auction. Also I’m adding couple more now and I can assure you that there is no visual damage there- unless all was fixed prior to my ownership.
This is an outstanding 993 Turbo equipped with the exclusive WLS2 package, but is clearly not a Turbo S. I don't see how that is even being discussed at this stage of the auction.
The coolest fact I learned following this auction is that Option X79 was available for standard 993 Turbos. I would seek that out, as it really does set this car apart.
Although I fear the trajectory of this particular auction will likely be RNM due to the negative back-and-forth, there is no denying that this is an incredibly cool and well equipped 993 Turbo that most of us would be overjoyed to own. I hope the seller gets a great price for it, as this spec is one for the ages. GLWTA!
@Alex1528 HI @Alex1528 - I don't really like being called dishonest. That isn't really fair and you don't know me. I assure you the report exists, it is thorough, and has photographs/documentation to support all of the above items I mentioned. It was done in late September of last year when we seriously considered the car. In fact, I would be happy to share the report with @PCarMarket confidentially should my integrity be ultimately questioned.
As I mentioned in my post, the inspection was done c. 4 months ago and either the prior owner or yourself may have already rectified the items. If you have fixed, or the prior seller has fixed items, then that is great and only benefits the buyer. I would obviously encourage you to post undercarriage photos or photos of the frunk as there is no downside to doing so. It is up to you how you want to run your auction. I wish you only the best and GLWA.
@PCARMARKET Simply ask a contact at any authorized Porsche dealership to check this VIN in their computer and you will quickly see without question it is a 993 Turbo….not a Turbo S. Further if you consult “PORSCHE 911 Turbo-Air-cooled Years by Gabriel-Franz” published by BMB Berlin Motor Books you will also see the VIN for this car is a 993 Turbo and not a 993 Turbo S. Besides Porsche’s own records this is the industry bible and used at the highest levels to break down all VIN numbers for type. See page 260 which clearly shows VIN # WP0ZZZ99ZWS370698 is a 1998 993 Turbo WLS2 built for the German market. Page 246 also confirms this VIN number is not a 993 Turbo S as its VIN number is not included as one of the only ninety-four LHD 1998 993 Turbo S built of which 50 were for the German market. Finally I politely suggest that you translate the document in picture 104. This is simply a Certificate of Conformity for a 993 Turbo or 911 Turbo S…..in other words this document is used for both types for import/export purposes, showing EU standards between countries etc. In no way does this document confirm this car is a 993 Turbo S.
I suggest to @pcarmarket to disable comments on this auction. If any serious bidder will have specific questions they should contact me through private message on this platform.
@Iheartporsche Also odometer works just fine- drove the car 2 weeks ago
@Iheartporsche I can assure you that no inspection was done by the company that you mentioned on this specific car. I think someone is playing another kind of game here against my car. I don’t see any impact underneath on engine cover- see attached picture. What you just wrote is your assumption. Also don’t see any overspray in front trunk or any other issues you mentioned.
HI all,
One of the great things about Pcar is the collective knowledge of all the participants and I have learned a lot about 993 Turbos/Turbo Ss from the comments and contributors below. Thank you all and I hope this is my chance to give back to the PCar community which educated and supported me while I was searching for my 964 turbo!
I came across this auction and recognized the car because a friend and I looked at it last fall when it was for sale by (I believe) the previous owner. It is a very unique and rare spec Porsche for sure!
I couldn’t physically visit the car as it was stored outside London when I visited, so instead my friend and I hired a specialized Porsche inspection company to view and test drive the car for us. The inspection company we used was referred to us by a Porsche Club GB contact of mine who deals in classic race cars.
So, here are the items I would want to know that were reflected in the inspection report we received c. 4 months ago. Please also note that Seller states he has done a service since then so some of the below might be out of date or fixed already. In my experience, all cars this age typically need the usual rubber bits replaced (hoses, bushings, shocks, etc) and fluids flushed.
As the seller states, the car was imported and registered into the UK in 2004 and not driven much thereafter. Service records since 2004 weren’t available except for the standard UK annual registration reports and a turbo rebuild in 2007. So, there was some deferred maintenance at the time which Seller may have rectified already. Below are other items (asked for by bidders) for reference:
1. Car has no signs of accident damage at the time according to inspector
2. No dampness or mold in the interior at time of inspection, usual interior wear and tear for 25 year old car
3. Odometer did not work on the test drive, therefore mileage is likely TMU.
4. Gear box was replaced in 2000, but new replacement gearbox is not numbers matching to the original build sheet. It was, however, replaced at a certified Porsche dealer in Germany according to service records and worked fine on the test drive.
5. Paint meter thickness readings showed that most panels had likely been repainted. Color match was slightly off in some areas.
6. Frunk was painted under carpet in places with signs of overspray on wiring
7. An undercarriage impact during driving occurred at some point because engine undertray and brackets/fasteners were broken, small crack in exhaust, and gearbox cross member was bent at time of inspection
I can’t disseminate the actual report we received to the public due to the T&Cs from the inspection company, so I would always recommend buyers do their own inspections before bidding/buying or use someone they trust to view the car in person.
This 993 Turbo specimen is truly a rare, beautiful, and unique car and will make someone happy at Cars and Coffee events I am sure. GLWA!
Thank you bidders for all of your comments and information. We have received much feedback on this vehicle and the listing will remain as is. Based on the seller's description as well as the document from Porsche showing a Turbo S designation seen in image 104, there seems to be no cause to make any changes. We have seen information supporting both sides of this debate. This is clearly a rare and special vehicle and we hope it finds a new home by the conclusion of this auction.
Link i provided is a true Turbo S according to all of you. Last comment was said that my vin don’t fall even near real turbo S car- guys I’m not here to argue or mislead anyone. Whoever is bidding on it I’m sure they know what they bidding on.
@Secretcollector You mentioned that my vin don’t show up in database and doesn’t even fall in turbo S vin range.
See that link to true Turbo and compare my vin and other. Don’t you see similar vin except production number is different? Like I said maybe in USA database it’s not showing as turbo S but maybe back in 1998 that car was meant to be a build as other turbo S but for some reason car was build differently with final designs BUT performance is still there and matching turbo S 100%. I do understand the at my car is missing cosmetic stuff but honestly performance is more important than cosmetic stuff such as carbon or leather on some knobs. I described my car as unique.
https://www.classic.com/veh/1998-porsche-993-turbo-s-wp0zzz99zws370291-WqlEgZn/
@PCARMARKET The seller, @Alex1528, is clear about what is and isn't available in terms of due diligence items, so any bidder can either bid based on what they see in the listing or arrange an inspection on his stated terms (which seems unlikely for a car stored in the UK on a US based auction platform with a predominantly US based bidder pool).
Where you should step in with this auction, and it is not about taking sides with the seller or your bidders and watchers, is to amend the title of this listing. This IS NOT a 993 Turbo S and that simply isn't debatable. The internal designation, which Porsche applies to each model it builds, is for a standard 993 Turbo as has been pointed out by others here. The vin does not show up in the database of 993 Turbo S, which is complete and has been vetted by Porsche experts countless times over the years. It doesn't show up because it doesn't have a Turbo S model designation nor does it fall within the Turbo S vin range. Beyond these indisputable facts, as others have also pointed out, there are countless options unique to the Turbo S which are not present on this car. Nothing added to the original build by Exclusive, nothing printed on a Porsche or German TUV document nor any other claim can make a 993 Turbo into a Turbo S.
None of this is contrary to the fact that this particular car has a unique set of options, from WLS2 to the rear fender vents and so forth. I am not commenting on what the car is, merely stating that it is not a Turbo S and as a reputable platform with an obligation to present its offerings accurately, you either amend the title of the listing or open yourself up to a claim if the car sells.
Not a fan of white Porsches, (my 993 C4 Cab is black as they all should be), but this is one gorgeous car!!! The 993 Turbo is the most beautiful 911 ever built!
Bid in the amount of $120,000
@HM we agree the requested items would be favorable. The seller is not able to provide and is willing to accommodate inspections. These are the circumstances for this listing and it is understood that some may not participate due to these circumstances. We ask that repetitively asking over and over to the seller be put to rest as it is not going anywhere. Please consider having an inspection done to alleviate concerns. Thank you.
@HM Simple don’t bid on it- I’m not a dealer with all ready info for this sale. I’m private seller with limited time and desire to get all these details you requested. I can assure you one thing if you see this car you would say WOW- all my cars are in pristine conditions and always checked and none of them would ever been allowed in my storage with any even minor leaks or concerns. I know it’s all talking me here and no hard visual facts for you but like I said you or anyone are more than welcome to see the car during this auction time. Also anyone coming to see the car must provide their ID for verification through local PD. Good luck
@bigboy Like i said I’m not with the car as I’m in USA now. I don’t have paint meters or any compression readings. That picture is from track where original owner enjoyed his car periodically. I have inch thick folder with many service records from Porsche dealer and all in German language. Car was serviced month ago with brand new petronas oil change and at the same time car was inspected and I was told that all casings and gearboxes oil are tight and no visible leaks. Car drives perfect and shifts smooth like brand new. All can be verified if you call that place Brooklands Porsche service in UK.
@Bored Wow awesome that make me even more to keep my car. I’m in Stamford so if I spot your car around I’ll definitely approach you.
@Alex1528 better still mine is going to CT as soon as its released by customs. We should get the 2 cars together in April and compare notes.
@Alex1528 Glad to see the picture of the car on the race track! Very helpful to know that additional history. Would be nice to see some compression and leak down results for the engine and those paint meter readings. What about service records?
@PCARMARKET I think the seller needs to respect the process and provide depth to answers rather than dismiss them disrespectfully. I have had no evidence to any of my important questions so far. No confidence has been built to bid any further. Confusion on model claim, no clear condition report and no evidence on matching no car. The process is broken.
@Bored You are always welcomed to see it. I’ll be importing this here to Connecticut once the 25 year old turns which is April 17th- unless it’s sold then who knows where new home will be. Funny thing is many people from Dubai contacted me on it.
@TurboDXB hello. We appreciate your perspective. Make no mistake, we are not taking sides, only asking this not be a heated discussion. The bidders can decide if they are getting satisfactory answers as to their comfort level of bidding or to stay on the sidelines. Only asking for a calm and tactful exchange. Thank you for being a buyer on our site and your feedback is valuable to us.
@Bored agreed!!
@bigboy it’s actually not a model of contention, like i said in Europe it’s a well known spec.
@Alex1528 If I ever decide to sell I’ll send back to Europe it’s seems like the easier option. I also live between London and the US and will be in London at the end of the month, would love to see your car if thats possible. Thanks and good luck!
@Bored WLS2 is not a model of contention and is a very special car to have! But WLS2 is not always a Turbo S but I think you know that! lol Nice to hear that you have one!
@HM @alex1528
Please provide matching numbers
Thanks
@Alex1528 I did not say there was a mistake on your document. Your document appears absolutely correct it is a Certificate of Conformity for a 993 Turbo or a 911 Turbo S not a document stating your car is a Turbo S. I am also very glad that you say others have tried to educate you as to what you have.
@Bored LOL- please keep your car. Reason all dealers jump on it is because your car and mine are very rare if not more rare than US spec turbo S.
Enjoy it
Never thought i would see wls2 become a model of contention, in Europe it’s a well known model and spec and priced appropriately. Hopefully I’ll never have to sell mine I don’t think I could handle all the drama. GLWS!
@HM establishing model type is one thing. Understanding the condition of the car factually is what is in question. You have not provided any evidence to support this except words.
To all Car dealers looking at my GEM. Please stop emailing me and texting me with your offers or educating me on what I have. The link provided by someone here from well bought link is irrelevant because my car was undervalued there and auction was stopped and car was unsold- after learning more about my car what exactly it is I decided to list it here.
Once again be respectful just like Pcarmarket requested. I hope my car will go to private buyer not dealer.
@PCARMARKET As someone who has bought a car on your platform and is well versed in online auction etiquette, I'm quite disappointed that you are jumping to the seller's defense when it is blatant that he is selling false goods. If you want to step in, verify the facts of the car. David and Jim, you are Porsche experts and car dealers. Nothing that has been asked or pointed out is out of scope when bidding on a high value automobile remotely without either an inspection report, paint meter readings, or decent under carriage photos. Redacting posts and asking registered bidders to not challenge the defensive seller is not the way you build trust on your platform.
@Alex1528 That is not an answer to the question. Try again.
@bigboy LOL you are funny boy- now you saying that billion dollar company made a mistake on printing serious document?? Stop this now I’m connecting all dots and you are well paid dealer to get this car as hard as you can because you have somewhere lined up client for it. LOL it’s getting really funny. I had this car listed even on Facebook market place and so many dealers played that game with me as well throwing stupid $ offers on me and educating me that my car is not what we all know what it is.
Folks we are kindly asking the we politely ask questions to the seller. If the answer is not satisfactory and your comfort level is not reached you don’t have to bid on the vehicle. You may also privately message the seller. We don’t want to have to shut down commenting or suspend any accounts. Please use tact and respect! This is a special car that we are delighted to have on the platform, we ask everyone be mindful so that we can have a successful auction and the seller can bring more exciting spec cars to our community. Thank you.
@HM Simple answer is don’t bid if you not sure. Have a great weekend
@Alex1528 we need hard facts to support any serious bids? Words are not enough. These are basics for any porsche enthusiast.
As my German is not good with some research I have solved the possible question of your Turbo S document. Yes your document is a valid document. HOWEVER this document is simply a Certificate of Conformity used for import/export of vehicles to document that this type of vehicle meets certain standards. Your document simply says that both 993 turbo and 911 Turbo S meet the standards listed on the document. The cars are so similar that the document covers both versions 993 Turbo and 911 Turbo S with your VIN number covered by this document. In no way does this document state that this car is a 993 Turbo S. From studying the document further it appears that on line 0.2 it was meant for 993 Turbo and 911 Turbo S to have been printed on the same line but the printing format pushed 911 Turbo S to the line below with both versions being considered “Variante CE21”. See https://www.eurococ.eu/de/#:~:text=Ein%20COC%20(%C3%9Cbereinstimmungsbescheinigung)%20ist%20eine,der%20Homologierung%20und%20Registrierung%20unterliegen and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cbereinstimmungsbescheinigung
@HM I’m not with the car as I’m in USA. Car is at my place in Uk. I’m leaving this verification to the serious and potential buyer which is more than welcome visit my expensive car storage anytime during this auction only, BUT I assure you that 100% all is matching there because no one ever swapped anything.
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Price is not to be discussed as a fair reserve is set by Seller and PCAR Staff
@bigboy I doubt that just like you doubt my car and document. Just so you know me as owner of this supplying legit Porsche document on this auction makes me responsible fully and I’m aware of it and TRUST me I would never jeopardize my name or my freedom by supplying fraudulent Porsche documents BUT you as accuser that this document is fraudulent might get you in trouble for spreading false accusations against me and my car. @pcarmarket I suggest this guys should be removed from that auction and permanently blocked because that his last comment went beyond. I was aware that once I post this car for sale lot of hungry dealers will jump on it for their benefits. Me as private seller I don’t have to sell it and as matter of fact I’ll be happy to keep it longer if it doesn’t sell here. From now on I’m not engaging in any more discussions other than replying to specific questions about the car.
@Alex1528 Can you also validate and provide evidence that this is a numbers matching car? Chassis, engine and gearbox.
@Alex1528 Paint meter readings would be helpful
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@Alex1528 I have never spoken or communicated with you until now, I have never tried to buy your car, I have never been aware of your car until this listing.
@HM None
Thank you
@bigboy You are doubting my document?? LOL
It’s been all verified and you showing me now your lack of knowledge in Porsche. Please stay out of this auction as you not even verified bidder. You sound like a guy that tried to buy my car earlier and trying to degrade and educate me over the phone about my car so you could by it cheap and benefit from my car at later time. Topical dealer move. LOL
@Alex1528 ok. What evidence do you have to validate that this 25 year old car still wears original paint? Paint readings report etc
https://wellboughtwellsold.com/auction/77-porsche-911-993-turbo
@Alex1528 You mention multiple times your performance options but they are only one factor of a 993 Turbo S. There are MANY MANY other factors of which your car has almost none. As far as lack of parts availability when your car was built there were additional true Turbo S built after your car. It might be a good idea to verify your one document with Porsche in Stuttgart.
@bigboy I didn’t say X79 was a factor. X79 was one of the factors that are on my car/ which differentiates my car from other WLS 2 cars. Anyway I know what I have and appreciate your input but at the end of the day
Porsche made their choice making this car Turbo S with all performance options and staying on their official document Turbo S.
Please let’s stop this because soon we will write a decent book script from our comments LoL. Have a great weekend
@Alex1528 The X79 air inlets do not factor into the Turbo S determination. X79 was standard equipment for Turbo S but optional for regular 993 Turbo so X79 being on your car means nothing but it is a very nice rare option to have!
@Specracer8 And in that situation the parent was Porsche not me or original owner. LOL
@bigboy ....and let's not forget that this is the 21st century and we must respect and be sensitive as to how one "identifies"....even automobiles.....if she (or her parent) identifies her as an "S", then she's an "S"!! LOL!!!
@bigboy Because originally this car was meant to become regular 993 turbo 770 code but after original owner decided to specify his car with additional options matching Turbo s performance- once again factory decided to call that car Turbo S and neither me or original owner didn’t write that on official Porsche certificate. So even though the label don’t call for Turbo s- performance is matching and correct as real Turbo s included rear air inlets. Not all WLS 2 had rear air inlets and mine has all performance except visual things like carbon or leather covered button or covers. I had a talk with original owner this morning and he also mentioned to be that at the time of his car production lot of parts were in lack of availability because that was the end of that model production so instead of that he chose all leather on dash where originally supposed to be carbon. Once again bigboy at the end of the day I’m trusting original owner what he says to me because he was the one in Germany April -1998 buying it and discussing all details not you. So if Porsche document states Turbo S then it was done for a reason. Enjoy your day and your cold brew
@bigboy Most likely because that fact proves the point that it is a veritable 993 Turbo.
@Alex1528 As I am enjoying my ice cold Budweiser, I just realized that you have forgotten to answer my most simple basic question. Why is your car model type 993770 when a 993 Turbo S is actually model type 993780? See picture 102 and 103.
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@NateK Im adding additional picture of the rear spoiler factory numbers that are under the spoiler
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@NateK Spoiler was added at the factory- only bumper and RUF exhaust was added at the dealer. Don’t have paint readings as I’m in USA now and car is at my UK storage. I’m adding old picture of the car which original owner just emailed it to me this morning.
@Alex1528 @Alex1528, absolutely beautiful car in a very interesting and cool spec.
How can all paint be original when the GT spoiler and RUF bumper were added by a dealer?..
Can you post paint meter readings?
@HM Yes Sir all paint is original and full body received double ceramic coating including wheels. Also full interior leather was reconciled and ceramic coated as well for future protection.
@Specracer8 Thank You
What a car. Amazing specs. Is the paint totally original?
@Alex1528 A beautiful and very well optioned 993 Turbo indeed!
@JDCar599 First of all I’m American as well with multiple residency and you assume that my car being in UK that I’m British? Second I drink Budweiser as well and it was Friday night and that was my way to tell him chill and enjoy weekend. Third I’m not desperate to sell that car. I can express my feelings same way as Big boy did about my car. So your part here defending him wasn’t necessary although it was ? Lol
@Alex1528 ...Wow, how rude of you to respond as you have. Telling Bigboy to go and drink a Budweiser was your way of suggesting that all Americans sit around and drink beer all day. Clearly not a smart idea when trying to sell a car in the USA.
@bigboy You are the best of all- we all love you and you are Mr. Porsche. Now go enjoy your Budweiser Bigboy
I’m sorry but I must comment once again when I see such wrong information put forth. I agree as you mention that I too have seen a few other cars like yours with WLS 2 and missing leather and carbon fiber options referred to as a Turbo S. But just like your car they are not Turbo S. You are assuming I am comparing your car to a US 993 Turbo S which I am not. I am comparing your car to all 993 Turbo S which all had the same options and features as standard equipment for Turbo S. (besides US having 424 HP and German/ROW having 450 HP). I have not mentioned HP because that is not in question here. Your WLS 2 engine was used in the 993 Turbo S but could also be ordered on a regular 993 Turbo for 1998 which is what you have a 993 Turbo WLS 2 not a 993 Turbo S. Your original owner ordered MANY special leather options on this car but then he requested the factory delete all the other special leather items I mentioned that are standard on a Turbo S as well as all the other special items marked “Turbo S” like the trunk/bonnet liner and rear seat carpets etc?? This makes no sense. You say “when original owner added all these options to his car- dealership at the time of pick up made a decision to mark that car in documents as turbo S” This is of course is ridiculous as the dealership has no authority to decide when a 993 Turbo becomes a 993 Turbo S! lol You say “rear emblem added by the factory” but in the details you provided in the description says “A GT rear spoiler is said to have been added by a Porsche dealer upon the original owner’s request” You give two different stories. What is your explanation as to why your car is model type 993770 by its build code when a real Turbo S is model type 993780? Finally you say you “still believe my car is a true Turbo S” Well believing does not always make it true.
@bigboy One last thing. I have seen many 993 turbo S throughout the whole Europe without carbon fiber options and leather covered knobs/switches- just so you may not know that these little details were available through exclusive department. All US spec’s received that options on their turbo S- it was sale pitch for US market- that’s why you competing my car to US spec Turbo s. Coming back to my car which is 100% German spec- that car was build for special client with options that he requested and items that he didn’t want but overall- engine, suspension and rest mechanicals is matching 100% turbo S. And US spec turbo S has only 424 hp which is less horsepower than my car. When original owner added all these options to his car- dealership at the time of pick up made a decision to mark that car in documents as turbo S and rear emblem was added by factory. Once again no need to argue here and I still believe my car is true Turbo S. Have a great weekend big boy
@Alex1528 you are 100% correct that you do have a special model. The WLS2 engine is special and you have some unique rare options. But you do not have a 993 Turbo S. You do not need to educate me as it is pretty obvious you are getting the education here. Anyway rest easy there is no need for me to comment further this will be my last post on this as anyone with minimal knowledge can clearly see this car is not a Turbo S "red circle" or not.
@bigboy I’m not going to waste my time on educating you about these special models that were built in 98 in Germany for special clients which had options to specs their cars the way they desired. Have a great weekend Big boy
@Alex1528 Yes I saw your document showing “911 Turbo S” circled in red. Above your red circle it also says your car is a “993 Turbo”. Having only the same mechanical specs as a 993 Turbo S does not make it a 993 Turbo S. According to Porsche factory records there were 266 Turbos with the WLS2/XLC engine built for 1998 the last 993 model year. Your car is one of those 266 cars by its VIN number and by its model type 993770 which is shown on your white option label from the back of your hood/bonnet shown in your picture 102 and the Porsche document shown in your picture 103. Porsche 993 Turbo S is model type 993780.
From a quick look at your pictures your car is missing the following 993 Turbo S items-
Special fog lights with air inlets
18” Turbo design hollow spoke wheels with special bright Turbo S finish and special center caps
Yellow brake calipers
Leather covered speaker grills
Leather covered power window switches
Leather covered power mirror switch
Leather covered power seat and heated seat switches
Leather covered seat release levers
Leather covered seat belt receivers
Leather covered air vent slats
Leather covered turn signal stalk
Leather covered wiper control stalk
Leather covered cruise control stalk
Leather covered OBC stalk
Leather covered climate control panel
Leather covered ignition rosette
Leather covered door entry sills
Leather covered door end caps
Leather covered rear defogger knob, fog light knob, rear fog light knob, cigarette lighter
Turbo S aluminum door sills
Turbo S carbon fiber strut tower brace in trunk/bonnet
Turbo S carpeted trunk/bonnet liner
Turbo S 4-pipe exhaust tips
Carbon fiber dash pieces
Carbon fiber door pulls
Carbon fiber shifter
Carbon fiber parking brake
Aluminum/silver instrument dials
Rear view mirror self-dim with rain sensor
It has been correctly noted in the description that the car has incorrect rear spoiler, rear bumper cover and exhaust system. The rear Turbo S emblems have been added. The “ZWS” in the VIN has no significance, the “W” simply means it is 1998 model year, any 1998 model year 993 has the same “WS”. The “Z” varies from car to car from letter to numeral.
The car does not have to be 25 years old to be legally imported to the US. The car can also be legally imported and modified to meet USA EPA/DOT standards or possibly considered for importation under show/display rules.
As far as your document with the red circle showing “911 Turbo S”, the document is incorrect and contradicts itself on the next line calling the car a “993 Turbo”. 993 Turbo S is factory model type 993780. Your car is model type 993770 as shown by your pictures 102 and 103. Further your car has none of the 993 Turbo S markings that are present on a 993 Turbo S including 993 Turbo S markings/logo on-
the trunk/bonnet carpet lining, the rear folding seat backs, the interior carbon door pulls, the carbon passenger airbag cover, the aluminum door entry sills, center caps.
Bid in the amount of $110,000
Bid in the amount of $6,969
@meiwah98 I have one and it's a 12/97, there were a handful delivered at the end of 97.
I bought one of these last year in Germany, factory WLS2, it just arrived at the port in NJ waiting for customs clearance. The registration documents it came with state it's a Turbo S. It has everything the Turbo S comes with and more but I don't consider it a true turbo S.
I was told the majority of them had a lot of custom options, especially interior.
Mine is a 12/97 model and there were a few delivered at the tail end of 1997. 266 total over 97/98.
You could also have the WLS2 engine upgrade fitted at the dealers post purchase, it was expensive but there are quite a few in Europe but they're not considered true WLS2 cars.
The air inlets are a rare option for the WLS2, very few of them had this option, I believe it was very expensive so thats a very nice touch.
Great car with some cool custom touches, super rare and very very collectible in my opinion.
GLWS!
@meiwah98 Thank You for clarifying this.
I stand corrected. WLS2 was a 1998 only option.
@Alex1528 Actually, WLS2 was available in 1997 as well.
@bigboy See the picture of Porsche certificate showing turbo s
Circled in red. Also this car has exactly same mechanical specs as turbo s. Only missing is yellow calipers and embroidered design turbo s on rear seats.
I know exact history of this car from original owner and that exact car is similar to turbo s. Also wls2 package was available in Europe only and 1998 year only- in order to import car here legally car must be 25 years old- so how the other one you mentioned ended up here in USA yet.
This car will not be the first WLS 2 car in the United States. I would also appreciate a better explanation as to how this car can be called a 993 Turbo S other than the document shown as Porsche's factory production records clearly classify this car as a 993 Turbo with WLS2 with no mention of it being a 993 Turbo S besides the fact that many special 993 Turbo S features and options are missing. (although this car does have some rare options)
@Germanyjoe Hello,
I don’t have a original exhaust but the wheels you see they came on the car originally when first owner picked up the car.
Good Afternoon,
do the original 2 pipe exaust system and the original wheels still excist and come with it ?
Br
Germanyjoe
The guys who spec'd this car either knew the game or was high as a kite - plate should read TMNTANA
This is definitely a bad as? Car. I got k24 hybrids on my 03 coupe. Really like the spoiler and the interior. Future owner should register it and get license plate that reads “MYWHTHO” GLWTS
Not only is the spec amazing, I'm happy to see that such a spectacular 993 has been actually used rather than kept as a garage queen or investment. Wooohooo!
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As an owner of a Glacier White 993 (C4S), this is blowing my mind. That interior is absolutely WILD. I'm just glad to know this car exists and it will be enjoyed by someone (hopefully) in the near future. So rad.
this is next level P-Car for some lucky collector!
Welcome everyone to the auction. I’ll try to answer all questions the best I can. Most importantly Pcarmarket did amazing job on creating this listing with all important information about my unique car. Good luck bidders!